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🚨BREAKING NEWS!🚨

Automattic, the company behind WordPress, is now co-authoring the ActivityPub plugin for WordPress.

The intent is to make WordPress a "first party Fediverse member" on par with Mastodon, Pleroma, and Pixelfed.

WordPress already powers 43% of all websites—and every one is a potential Fediverse server.

Automattic employee @kraft just confirmed this.

religious.social/@kraft/110003…

@fediversenews

@atomicpoet @Ciantic Matt is also in a position to get invited to these new platforms, so he should take it to check it out. He's been giving away invites to others at Automattic, especially engineers, to check it out. And, at the same time, Automattic is partnering up with the developer of the ActivityPub WordPress plugin to continue to iterate on WP being a first party Fediverse member. ( https://wordpress.org/plugins/activitypub/ see that we're an author now too).

Brandon Kraft ❤️‍🔥🧡 (@kraft@religious.social)

@atomicpoet@mastodon.social @Ciantic@twit.social Matt is also in a position to get invited to these new platforms, so he should take it to check it out. He's been giving away invites to others at Automattic, especially engineers, to check it out.
Mastodon for Catholic Clergy & Religious
@profile/fediversenews @kraft
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Chris Trottier
Chris Trottier
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If you want to check this out for yourself, take a look at the ActivityPub plugin page.

Automattic is now listed as the author.

wordpress.org/plugins/activity…

See screenshots.

Contributors and Developers: Matthias Pfefferle, Django, Alex Kirk, Automattic
Matthias Pfefferle

ActivityPub

The ActivityPub protocol is a decentralized social networking protocol based upon the ActivityStreams 2.0 data format.
WordPress.org
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Chris Trottier
Chris Trottier
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Honestly, I think Automattic co-authoring the ActivityPub plugin is a bigger deal than Meta "planning" to join the Fediverse.

The ActivityPub plugin for WordPress already works right now.

But now Automattic is putting more weight behind it!

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gr0k
gr0k
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it's definitely huge! I knew about this plugin and have played with it in the past, but was disappointed. It was some time ago tho. Hopefully the full force of Automatic means it will mature quickly.
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DJM (freelance for hire)
DJM (freelance for hire)
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that's indeed huge and quite a boost for @pfefferle
Been "testing" the plugin on 2 blogs for some time now and can't wait for more features
@Matthias Pfefferle
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Chris Trottier
Chris Trottier
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Drupal also has an ActivityPub plugin.

However, others tell me it's not as mature as the one for WordPress.

With all the traction that ActivityPub has, though, I can see that changing.

drupal.org/project/activitypub

ActivityPub

Implements the ActivityPub protocol for your site. Readers will be able to follow content from your site on Mastodon and other federated platforms that support ActivityPub. Responses are possible too (Reply, Like, Announce) with more to come.
Drupal.org
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nikkiana
nikkiana
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Given that I worked in the Drupal camp for years, I'm watching what's happening with them and ActivityPub with a lot of curiosity.

Given that historically, Drupal dev tends to be heavily driven and financed by client need, and a lot of those clients have tended to be on the more corporate end of things.... I suspect we'll see a boom of development there when people start imagining the uses of ActivityPub that go beyond microblogging.

Or at least, that's my prediction.

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FeralRobots
FeralRobots
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@nikkiana
Not sure how it plays out these days but there used to be a low-key tradition of Drupal & WordPress extension authors quietly stealing from one another, & even collaborating behind the scenes to help one another with module-plugin/plugin-module ports. I would expect that to be less common these days, though.
@atomicpoet
@Chris Trottier @nikkiana
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Jake in the desert
Jake in the desert
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yep. I'm just glad they beat Meta to whatever dumb crap they're planning to do. How a huge company like Meta could make a decentralized ANYTHING is kinda beyond me 🙄
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Extra_Special_Carbon
Extra_Special_Carbon
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@jake4480 I think the plan is just to swamp Mastodon and make Meta the default.

I’ll block any server related to Meta. Any Meta server should be defederated IMO.

@Jake in the desert
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Jason Michael Perry
Jason Michael Perry
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at it's heart automatic has always loved the idea of people sharing thoughts and ideas. This just continues it. I'm curious to see what this looks like in reality - and no I have not installed the plugin yet.
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Alex
Alex
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completely agree. Their agreement puts this "further up the pipeline" in my mind. Consumers hitting Meta aren't going to stand up the same environments this change has the potential to bring.
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FeralRobots
FeralRobots
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It certainly does a lot to undermine the concern you raised (or maybe boosted?) the other day, that Meta as an 800 lb gorilla can drive the standard wherever it wants. Automattic may not have Meta's market cap, but they're massively more influential on the software that's actually running things. (Sometimes I wish that weren't so - I hate WordPress - & I often think their choices are mistaken, but I've never thought they were evil.)
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Chris Trottier
Chris Trottier
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@FeralRobots You must be mistaking me for someone else.

My standpoint is that "embrace, extend, extinguish" doesn't work: mastodon.social/@atomicpoet/11…

Chris Trottier (@atomicpoet@mastodon.social)

People keep talking about "embrace, extend, extinguish". What they don’t realize is that it failed for Microsoft. Microsoft did not kill Linux. They did not kill the Web. And there's now more openness in document formats than there was in the 90s.
Mastodon
@FeralRobots
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FeralRobots
FeralRobots
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Very possible, or it was something that came up in one of your threads. FWIW I don't recall the context being EEE as such - more the fallout from attempts at EEE, which has real cost.
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Daniel Schildt
Daniel Schildt
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Here is the screenshot of the change from ActivityPub WordPress plugin's GitHub repository.

Difference in the source code:
github.com/pfefferle/wordpress…

GitHub changelog comparison between old and new activitypub.php files, with Automattic added as a co-author of the ActivityPub WordPress plugin. Previously Author: Matthias Pfefferle Author URI: https://notiz.blog/ After the change: Author: Matthias Pfefferle & Automattic Author URI: https://automattic.com/

add Automattic · pfefferle/wordpress-activitypub@abef17b

as Co-Author
GitHub
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webb
webb
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I can't wait for eight trillion bajillion SEO-optimised automatically-generated blogs to federate with me.
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🙃 ɐıunp zsɐɯoʇ
🙃 ɐıunp zsɐɯoʇ
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that would be a deal breaker for the whole fediverse! Really bright future for decentralised internet
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Will Smith
Will Smith
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hopefully they’ll include the plugin on Wordpress.com installs at all levels too.
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Fardels Bear
Fardels Bear
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Perhaps it's time to wake my #Wordpress blog from its cryogenic sleep. It's a whole new world.
#wordpress
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Cykonot
Cykonot
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oh god what if all comment sections become activityPub-enabled 🤢
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3dcandy
3dcandy
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they simply need it to enable you to choose the account it uses simply (and change it) and make it a 2-way street and voila. Would make WP a decent choice again for many
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sonja dolinsek
sonja dolinsek
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What are the implications of this? As a newby to all this issues I don't know and don't read anything specific in your toot
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Janis La Couvée
Janis La Couvée
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although I truly don't understand this - it sounds like a very cool development. Maybe we will get back to the idea of decentralized social media - somewhere I remember hearing/reading about the notion that the human cortex is only wired to truly be able to manage 250 close personal connections. If that is true - this makes more and more sense, conversations with a small group of people.
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Chris Trottier
Chris Trottier
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@lacouvee Let's put it this way, Janis.

Every WordPress blog can potentially be subscribed and read directly through Mastodon. You can comment directly to that blog through Mastodon. And whoever is using that WordPress blog can reply back to you.

Better yet, someone can read your Mastodon posts on WordPress.

Is that blowing your mind yet?

@Janis La Couvée
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Brennan Stehling
Brennan Stehling
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@lacouvee What service that supports ActivityPub but not Mastodon can I follow right now from a Mastodon client? I don’t know if I’ve done this yet. I’m still new to it.
@Janis La Couvée
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Chris Trottier
Chris Trottier
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@brennansv @lacouvee A good example is @fediversenews, which is a Friendica group. It was tagged at the beginning of this thread.

Another example is blender_reels@video.blender.org, which is an account on a PeerTube server. You can follow that account and watch videos that it posts.

@Fediverse News @Janis La Couvée @Brennan Stehling
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Brennan Stehling
Brennan Stehling
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I’m following @fediversenews already. That’s cool. That’s a good example of what ActivityPub can do. I think micro servers that just publish would be very useful, like public transit and severe weather updates. I could follow relevant zip codes. I’d like to run such services which consume public data and share on ActivityPub.
@Fediverse News
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Fediverse Report
Fediverse Report
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@brennansv With regards to public transits, you can check out this project: social.ridetrans.it/@kona/1098…

Kona :vbus: (@kona@social.ridetrans.it)

I'm making an ActivityPub server for distributing transit alerts 🎉 The tool is completely open-source and fetches alerts from GTFS-realtime Service Alerts feeds Official instance: https://transit.alerts.
Mastodon Transit Authority
@Brennan Stehling
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Goz 🕹
Goz 🕹
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@brennansv @lacouvee I've been running the ActivityPub plugin on my WP site for a couple of months, you can follow @ryan to see how it looks (unless you are a teacher or involved in the Edtech space you'll probably not want to follow for long, lol!)

My only issue is that sometimes when I post on WP the load skyrockets on my blog. I have't looked into why that's happening yet.

@Janis La Couvée @Brennan Stehling @author/ryan
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Full Metal Archaeopteryx
Full Metal Archaeopteryx
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@lacouvee

The problem I see is that WordPress, much as I like the platform and ease of use, is a major malware launching pad... It seems like we hear about a new exploit on a monthly basis.

How is that going to play with the servers?

@Janis La Couvée
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Aswath Rao
Aswath Rao
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@lacouvee I don't think Mastodon posts that are not related to a blog posts will be seen on WP. AP plugin user can be followed by Fediverse users, but not the other way around.
@Janis La Couvée
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django
django
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@aswath @lacouvee yes that is the current situation, but it will be interesting to see how deep the integration goes with official WP backing
@Janis La Couvée @Aswath Rao
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Daniel de Kay
Daniel de Kay
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@django @aswath @lacouvee Is there a roadmap or any other document that devalues how that kind of integration should work?
@django @Janis La Couvée @Aswath Rao
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Aswath Rao
Aswath Rao
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@danieldekay
You can look at their stated plan in the FAQ section at wordpress.org/plugins/activity…
There is no mention of reader side. I know of no doc that has discussed it. I myself can not get past the first q - where to display the timeline? In the dashboard? a browser tab?
@django @atomicpoet @lacouvee

ActivityPub

The ActivityPub protocol is a decentralized social networking protocol based upon the ActivityStreams 2.0 data format.
WordPress.org
@Chris Trottier @django @Janis La Couvée @Daniel de Kay
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narF 🎲
narF 🎲
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The Wordpress plugin doesn't let you read a feed. I'm not even sure you can reply to mastodon comments yet.
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Rachel Lawson
Rachel Lawson
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this feels like a big deal and I hope #Drupal can further efforts in this direction, too. Maybe it should even be a strategic initiative to see something like this in core?
@swentel ‘s drupal.org/project/activitypub is heading in the right direction

ActivityPub

Implements the ActivityPub protocol for your site. Readers will be able to follow content from your site on Mastodon and other federated platforms that support ActivityPub. Responses are possible too (Reply, Like, Announce) with more to come.
Drupal.org
#drupal @swentel
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Jason Michael Perry
Jason Michael Perry
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@rachel_norfolk @swentel I would hope it would but with all great open source communities it's not a question of will Drupal or the association do it but what developer or company will step up to build and support this. I love the idea but not sold on the value it adds for most websites. Is this just cool that we could? Or is it like having a custom domain for email?
@Rachel Lawson @swentel
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Rachel Lawson
Rachel Lawson
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@jasonmperry @swentel the association has no part in building the actual Drupal software.
All building is done by volunteers — and one who has been been working on this exact things is highlighted in the toot.
@swentel @Jason Michael Perry
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Jason Michael Perry
Jason Michael Perry
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@rachel_norfolk @swentel groups like the security committee go a long way in helping keep the Drupal ecosystem more secure. We use the posts from it to help us keep modules updated. I wish WP had something like this.
@Rachel Lawson @swentel
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Jason Michael Perry
Jason Michael Perry
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@rachel_norfolk @swentel I also feel like the Drupal community does more to enforce basic module standards. Maybe it's in my head but I generally feel comfortable with many Drupal modules after a quick review. WordPress plugins I assume the worse. This does not need to be the case and I wonder if a structure like an association could help raise money to make this happen.
@Rachel Lawson @swentel
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Anna Nicholson
Anna Nicholson
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@onepict This is very good news, as the plug-in is severely limited in what it offers at the moment

Looking forward to a much wider audience of people being able to interact with my blog posts

@Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:
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Mark Hughes
Mark Hughes
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WordPress is also a basket case of malware and security breaches so I'm not all on board with the view that this is great news.

We really do need to talk more about getting rid of servers.

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Jason Michael Perry
Jason Michael Perry
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@markhughes as a WP and Drupal dev I find the WordPress core to be very solid. What's tough is the plug-in market is less regulated and because of that more insecure or full of amateur work that makes it to production - the operative word being more not none. I think this is a question of more regulation of plugins or a very very open market.
@Mark Hughes
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Mark Hughes
Mark Hughes
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@jasonmperry indeed, and you won't find many WP sites without plugins.

I get the technical point but the reality is that WordPress sites are and will continue to be vulnerable for two reasons.

First, it is very hard indeed to keep plugins - and themes - secure. Anyone can create and distribute either.

Secondly there's a problem of scale. WP sites are attractive for attackers because they can compromise many sites at once rather than one at a time.

@Jason Michael Perry
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LibertyBeta
LibertyBeta
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Also means that Tumblr might join some day, like as part of the paid offering.
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Stefan Scholl
Stefan Scholl
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Sounds like fun. #Mastodon is already using #ActivityPub differently from the standard texts and other server software.

Another dominating system will gift use more entertaining drama! 😜

#mastodon #activitypub
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Brandon Kraft ❤️‍🔥🧡
Brandon Kraft ❤️‍🔥🧡
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@Stefan_S_from_H I think the direction is akin to WP adopting RSS way back. The point isn't to twist the spec; it is to join the broader ecosystem.
@Stefan Scholl
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Bud Gibson
Bud Gibson
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@aswath @Stefan_S_from_H We have a paid site, but plugins are not always. It has to do with how Wordpress.com is configured.
@Stefan Scholl @Aswath Rao
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Brandon Kraft ❤️‍🔥🧡
Brandon Kraft ❤️‍🔥🧡
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@budgibson @aswath @Stefan_S_from_H yes, on WordPress.com, Business and eCommerce plan sites can add plugins, but not the other tiers.

At this time, there hasn't been a discussion that I'm aware of regarding this either way. I think the functionality needs to be improved to be relatively feature complete and out of beta before it'll be considered for the non-plugin tiers (personal opinion)

@Stefan Scholl @Aswath Rao @Bud Gibson
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Aswath Rao
Aswath Rao
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You would know better. So I will defer to you. But what I read was that WebFinger or st like that will not work. That is why they are not available. In other words there is an underlying technical reason. But now I am not able to locate the ref.
@budgibson @Stefan_S_from_H @atomicpoet @fediversenews
@Chris Trottier @Stefan Scholl @Fediverse News @Bud Gibson
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GhostOnTheHalfShell
GhostOnTheHalfShell
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that would be amazing, i think.

federating might get a bit tricky to manage.. if it isn’t the case now, each instance would be advised to federate only with severs they can trust..

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April
April
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my opinion only, I’m glad WordPress is jumping in first. Meta likes secrets/non-sharing, and we want to adapt/improve, so sharing is a requirement. I believe WP can and will do this. At least at base levels, but where to go from there is adjusted by requirements anyway. Jumpstarts what we need started, & Meta can then “Tag” along. Maybe even share once they get updates right .
This is a big deal.
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pim
pim
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I can see this being very powerful, being able to comment on any Wordpress blog without creating an account on sketchy services.
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Andreas
Andreas
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The moment the plugin won't show the login-name, I will activate it! That is the final showstopper.

@kraft @fediversenews

@Brandon Kraft ❤️‍🔥🧡 @Fediverse News
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Eugene Glover
Eugene Glover
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@simonwood Presumably this might get some leverage for the 47 bazillion Wordpress hosting services to update their security settings so that the ActivityPub plug-in can work.
@simonwood
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Kelvin n0mql EN35ld
Kelvin n0mql EN35ld
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Well this is cool news @KI5SMN

'Cuz I already have a wordpress blog, and I'm - get this - not restricted to 500 characters there!

@KI5SMN
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FunHouse Radio
FunHouse Radio
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Tumblr promised this a while ago and it is still not happening. I'll believe this when I see it.
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Sven222
Sven222
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The ActivityPub Plugin for Wordpress does exist. So it is already happening. You can belive it.

Fediverse News hat dies geteilt.

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Shannon
Shannon
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Guess I better check for updates on my website that I've unfortunately been neglecting. I have activitypub on it... just haven't been blogging much.
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Arnel Šarić Sharan :verified:
Arnel Šarić Sharan :verified:
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Can you explain to us dummies what is the practical use of this?
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MikeK
MikeK
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@sharan
We'll have too see what their definition of first class citizen is, but it could mean
WP accounts being allowed to follow,boost and like Fediverse accounts and vice versa
The same for content.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

@Arnel Šarić Sharan :verified:
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Brandon Kraft ❤️‍🔥🧡
Brandon Kraft ❤️‍🔥🧡
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@mkarliner @sharan
I don't where all it'll go tbh, but the first iteration which works already is being able to follow authors from WP sites with it from other clients (e.g. @kraft@bk.cx is a site I'm toying around with microblogging/photoblogging for this purpose).

So, I'd think round one is more enabling WP content to be accessible/followable/interact-able by Fediverse clients. WP sites following others and interacting would be a 2nd phase, I'd expect.

@Arnel Šarić Sharan :verified: @MikeK @author/kraft
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Brandon Kraft ❤️‍🔥🧡
Brandon Kraft ❤️‍🔥🧡
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@mkarliner @sharan and to add on here, I don't have inside knowledge of that plan. Just what I'd expect. @pfefferle would be able to speak more to the longer term direction.
@Arnel Šarić Sharan :verified: @Matthias Pfefferle @MikeK
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Matthias Pfefferle
Matthias Pfefferle
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@mkarliner @sharan @pfefferle@notiz.blog I think there is still a lot to do for phase one, so that I had not much time to think about phase two yet, but it would be awesome to have the full fediverse flavour in your WordPress instance. But there are some more important short term challenges, I would like to work on:
@Arnel Šarić Sharan :verified: @Matthias Pfefferle @MikeK
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Matthias Pfefferle
Matthias Pfefferle
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@mkarliner @sharan @pfefferle@notiz.blog 1. The option to follow the whole blog, besides the authors, without producing duplicate content. 2. Federation of the comments on WordPress, which adds a lot of more challenges, because I can only federate comments from users on the blog, but not from an average blog commenter, otherwise we have a GDPR issue. But how to do that without fragmenting the communication.
@Arnel Šarić Sharan :verified: @Matthias Pfefferle @MikeK
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Richard MacManus
Richard MacManus
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good news, although I had some deal-breaking tech issues trying to implement this plugin last year. See: wordpress.org/support/topic/we…

Webfinger Endpoint unavailable

Support » Plugin: ActivityPub » Webfinger Endpoint unavailable Webfinger Endpoint unavailable Puck (@puck) 4 months ago Installed/activated ActivityPub and WebFinger, Site Health report…
WordPress.org Forums
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fulanigirl has moved
fulanigirl has moved
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what does this mean actually? If I have a WordPress site, what will the ActivityPub plugin allow my site to do?
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Dr. Young-Leslie 🇨🇦
Dr. Young-Leslie 🇨🇦
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@fulanigirl
I was going to ask a similar question:

How can my #Wordpress site become an #ActivityPub server?

#activitypub #wordpress @fulanigirl has moved
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Chris Trottier
Chris Trottier
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@HyL @fulanigirl Here’s an explanation I’ve written elsewhere in this thread: mastodon.social/@atomicpoet/11…

Chris Trottier (@atomicpoet@mastodon.social)

@lacouvee@mastodon.online Let's put it this way, Janis. Every WordPress blog can potentially be subscribed and read directly through Mastodon. You can comment directly to that blog through Mastodon.
Mastodon
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Qazm
Qazm
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@fulanigirl There are essentially two (main) interactions that make sense to me for blogs:

- broadcasting post announcements
- collecting (and managing) comments

Blogs are unlikely to broadcast the entire article contents to the Fediverse (also for compatibility reasons), but automatically pushing a nicely formatted post announcement to followers' feeds is very feasible.

They can then also receive replies to that post and display them as blog comments, which I think would be a really nice feature. (I saw a custom example of this a while back.)
Since the comments are a local copy, they can still be moderated as normal by the blog owner too, at least in theory.

Which of these WordPress will implement I don't know, of course, and they could also add something I haven't thought of.

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fulanigirl has moved
fulanigirl has moved
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@Qazm OK Thanks. we just came off Twitter where we normally posted our announcements. Just opened a Mastodon acct to do that, but having comments might be interesting. We keep those heavily moderated because our topics are race related. I will keep my eye on further announcements.
@Qazm
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Qazm
Qazm
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@fulanigirl I'm looking forward to seeing it too, since it's an interesting user experience problem.

I'm not sure it's possible to turn off replies to announcement posts entirely, but a Fediverse server could well decide not to relay them unless given the okay manually. (This means they'd at first be visible only to the commenter, their followers, and others on the same instances as either.)

I don't think it would be technically possible to widely hide them again once relayed, due to how authorisation works. I haven't checked too closely, though.
Ideally it should be possible to report comments to their origin instance's admins, since afaik *they* do have the power to wipe a post across the network relatively well.

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fulanigirl has moved
fulanigirl has moved
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@Qazm yeah, it's an interesting issue. And I suppose that might create more work for the server administrators. For people whose WP sites are for marginalized folks that might be problematic.
@Qazm
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Qazm
Qazm
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@fulanigirl There's discussing about adding reply control to ActivityPub here, in case you're curious about why that's (more) difficult (than on a centralised platform): github.com/w3c/activitypub/iss…

The long and short of it is that various implementations handle authorisation a bit differently from each other, so a solution must be found that's acceptable with multiple methods.


Disable replies · Issue #319 · w3c/activitypub

Almost all blogging platforms and a few social networks (for instance Dribbble) allow the author to disable replies on their post. So that ActivityPub-enabled platforms are up to usage on that, I t...
GitHub
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@Qazm took a look at the link and the first thing I thought was: coders are really lawyers! We have have long extensive discussions about "should", 'must." and "can."But I think the thread does raise the relevant concerns. The monetization re ads is a good point also. We don't have ads but I can see that registering someone as a hit on the site itself would be important. I appreciate the folks who take the time to work these things out.
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Qazm
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@fulanigirl We have rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2119 fortunately, which standardized at least the language in this regard in a simple way.

A LOT of especially the low-level protocols effectively run on these "request for comments" documents, while the w3.org manages mainly recommendations for higher-level protocols like web pages, web accessibility (in terms of disability accommodation features) and ActivityPub.

(There's also the IEEE, which, among many other things, publishes often very polished and nice standards documents for certain data exchange formats like JPEG, but they're quite expensive to access.)

Not all of these are nice to work with. Certain grown systems like IRC and email can be difficult to implement in a way that works in practice with large existing implementations, for example, even if the original core protocol is very simple. Many RFCs describe fairly complex compounds that reference other de-facto standards, too.

World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is an international community where Member organizations, a full-time staff, and the public work together to develop Web standards.
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Chris Trottier
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@Qazm @fulanigirl Comment control already exists on Hubzilla and Streams. I’ve used it, and it works well.
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Qazm
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@fulanigirl Do you have a link with more info on hand? If I try to look this up for Hubzilla, that appears to be a Zot (which I can't find the spec of currently) rather than an ActivityPub feature.
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Mike Macgirvin
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The comment control feature is protocol agnostic. In streams, there is an app called 'Comment Control'. Install it and you have full control of comments on every post. In Hubzilla, this is controlled in the permission dialogs, and I believe you can set comment controls for a channel, but not per-post as you can do with streams. We tend to share a lot of ideas between these two repositories so the newer control will probably show up on Hubzilla eventually.

Federation isn't really involved in comment control. If I don't want to see your comment, it is my divine right to refuse it or delete it. The only place federation is involved is to not provide a comment box if we know in advance that the comment is only going into the rubbish bin and save you typing a long reply into space.

The zot/6 spec is under 'spec' in the Hubzilla repo and there are some implementation details of the ActivityPub implementation of comment controls in FEDERATION.md in the streams repository. We've since extended these to be at least partially compatible with FEP-5624 -- if you don't like the way we implemented it in 2012. Since nobody has shown any real interest in nomadic identity or working together on better permission controls on the fediverse (preferring to extinguish us instead), I haven't yet provided a spec for Nomad (which is basically Zot/11). The streams repository does include the only known reference implementation of Nomad.

Fediverse News hat dies geteilt.

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Chris Trottier
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@mike Who is trying to extinguish nomadic identity? I’ve been a big fan of your work. And when I mention the concept to others, I only get positive responses.
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ilja :pumpkin_owo:
ilja :pumpkin_owo:
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> Blogs are unlikely to broadcast the entire article contents to the Fediverse

They already do. Fedi is not just for microblogging. See e.g. also WriteFreely and Plume.

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Qazm
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@ilja @fulanigirl It depends a bit on the contents and economics, though. An ad-supported blog or one that relies on VG Wort (German authors compensation group) income is more likely to want to broadcast only teasers, so that the views can be registered.

Posts with interactive elements are also much less likely to be rendered well across most receivers, though admittedly that's probably a niche use case.

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Piousunyn
Piousunyn
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This may prompt me to update my WordPress art and polical blogs.
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Comfortably Numb
Comfortably Numb
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oh cool. I tried to use the current version of plugin but was all kinds of broken for me. Maybe official one would work.
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n3wjack
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what does this plugin do exactly? That's not so clear from the description.
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Chris Trottier
Chris Trottier
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@n3wjack Here’s an explanation I’ve written elsewhere: mastodon.social/@atomicpoet/11…

Chris Trottier (@atomicpoet@mastodon.social)

@lacouvee@mastodon.online Let's put it this way, Janis. Every WordPress blog can potentially be subscribed and read directly through Mastodon. You can comment directly to that blog through Mastodon.
Mastodon
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Orion (he/him)
Orion (he/him)
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I will be pleased and impressed if activity pub becomes a rival to private social media, a bit like Libre Office to everyone else’s Word/Pages.
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Richard
Richard
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This makes following blogs easier (not that RSS was difficult) and gives blogs a low maintenance comment system.
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JohnW
JohnW
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Pretty wild! About 70% of my clients are on WordPress. WordPress has always been like an athlete that moves up to the head of the pack slowly, and everyone is like. "Look at that guy, what's his name again?" 😅

As a side note, Yoast, the SEO plugin for WordPress now has a Mastodon Specific site verification option that can be unlocked by buying a license.

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Dec.tar.gz
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@the_Effekt
Really?
Yoast want a paid upgrade to Premium, to let you do the same thing (as seen from Mastodon) that a "rel=me" link does?

And that's not all!

"You can only verify your site on Mastodon with Yoast SEO if your site represents an organization"

@JohnW
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JohnW
JohnW
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@dec23k I didn't look into it too deeply, but yeah it's a simple matter to verify your site.

I was posting mainly because of the Mastodon recognition.

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Simon Zerafa
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@dec23k @the_Effekt
Sounds like an SEO plugin to avoid. As with the majority of Wordpress plugins.
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JohnW
JohnW
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@simonzerafa @dec23k Naw, many of them are just fine. If you install more than ~20 of them, yeah you'll probably run into conflicts though.

It's true I won't look at Yoast in quite the same way anymore, but their free version is fairly decent.

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Dec.tar.gz
Dec.tar.gz
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@the_Effekt
What?
This is a "rel=me" link but you have to pay for a Premium plugin to use it?
@JohnW
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django
django
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the tricky parts will be handling non-public (followers-only and direct), and the streams of status if Following is implemented, those are the “square pegs”!
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Mike Macgirvin
Mike Macgirvin
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I might volunteer to help out - if I can find some time to do so. As mentioned elsewhere, we federated WordPress very successfully into an earlier version of the fediverse (before ActivityPub was a thing; and long before Mastodon) so I've already been through most of the issues. Heck we federated Facebook into the fediverse -- before they found out and pulled the plug. ActivityPub and Mastodon both threw a couple of spanners in the works, but nothing we haven't solved before.

Fediverse News hat dies geteilt.

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Jupiter Rowland
Jupiter Rowland
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Listen to this man. He invented #Friendica, #Zot, #NomadicIdentity, #Hubzilla etc. And yes, Friendica federated with just about everything back in the day.
#friendica #hubzilla #NomadicIdentity #Zot
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Gersande La Flèche
Gersande La Flèche
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Err, was this not announced in December? 🧐 I could have sworn it was...
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Chris Trottier
Chris Trottier
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Tumblr integration with ActivityPub was announced, and Automattic also owns Tumblr. But I believe that news broke last November.
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Seph Harrison
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@Chris Trottier @Gersande La Flèche Tumblr integration might take longer though, WordPress has always been an Automattic product, right? With Tumblr they're the third owner, so I imagine it's going to be a bit harder to figure out how to make it work.
@Chris Trottier @Gersande La Flèche

Fediverse News hat dies geteilt.

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Eddie Coldrick 💻
Eddie Coldrick 💻
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While, yes, a significant amount of the financial and development contribution to WordPress comes from Automattic, the WordPress Foundation are technically the main designated organisation behind WordPress, as a protection from private orgs like Automattic. While I have always hated WordPress.com, Automattic's hosting, I do have to agree that WordPress might not be the same without them and do amazing work keeping WordPress itself good.
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Jargoggles
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@AlyssaWinnipeg
That wasn't exactly an uncommon take on WordPress at that time. For reference, custom post types only came out in the middle of that year and the WooCommerce plugin didn't even exist until 2011. Managed WordPress hosting wasn't even a thing until 2010 when WP Engine was founded.

It's understandable that a lot of people weren't aware of how much potential it had. Of course, dismissing it so thoroughly out of hand was obviously a bonehead move.

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Steinar Bang
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Nice!

It means I can shut down my cronjob reading the wordpress RSS feed and posting to mastodon steinar.bang.priv.no/2020/06/2…


Join mastodon and slowly posting a wordpress RSS/atom feed

Mastodon is a social network that appears similar to twitter: you get a feed where you can see "toots" instead of "tweets" and you can send your own toots that will be seen by others listening to you or looking for a hashtag found in your toot.
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